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• (story)(well, story fragment) Garm Fights The Hicks. FAO MAGGOTT particularly, thoughts appreciated from everybody.(story) - Captain Hat 20:40:42 06/25/08(10)

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• The RR has moved - TheDeamon (System Administrator) 00:53:14 06/29/08(0)

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• A truck! [NT] - The RR 00:53:51 06/29/08(0)
• The RR has moved - TheDeamon (System Administrator) 00:53:14 06/29/08(0)
• My salute to Grorx... - Rotten 22:41:24 06/28/08(0)
• WALL-E doesn't come out in NZ till halfway through September. How's that for a JoystickJing disgrace. [NT] - Lothos 18:34:36 06/28/08(2)
  • Thats what happens when you don't like Diablo2. [NT] - Grorx 19:58:16 06/28/08(0)
  • Same here. [NT] - Sweden 18:53:01 06/28/08(0)
• I never really got into Diablo 2 that much, to my shame. Act 1 was awesome, but after that it just got repetitive and I never finished the thing. [NT] - Lothos 17:01:55 06/28/08(11)
  • I had a lot of fun with D2, though I never played it as much as SC and W3. I played a Sorceress and an Amazon. I also thought Act 1 stank, and Act 2 was the best of the game followed by 3 which was cool but JoystickJ annoying at times. [NT] - Snapper 22:02:31 06/28/08(0)
  • I've been looking to say something like this all day, and now I feel I have the chance to do so without looking like a douche. It was ok, but Diablo II was never my cup of tea. RPGs never really have been, even though Squaresoft ones have been memorable. FPS's and Strategy games, however, always have been. [NT] - Tssha 17:40:24 06/28/08(2)
    • I am curious, what classes did you and Lothos play? Or anyone who didn't like it for that matter. - Lord Yuppie 19:03:28 06/28/08(1)
      • Actually, I played Necromancer. The game was GOOD, and Act 1 captivated me. I just lost momentum later on - although part of that was through endless sibling competition for the game. Act 1, I had to it myself because I was sneakily playing AT 1 AM. [NT] - Lothos 19:21:01 06/28/08(0)
  • I quite agree - I felt Diablo was a stellar game but Diablo II left something to be desired. I'm hoping Diablo 3 will blend the best of both. (nt) - The V Man 17:22:17 06/28/08(5)
    • I genuinely can't imagine anything about Diablo that was better than Diablo II. What exactly did you prefer? (nt) - Patriot 17:39:28 06/28/08(4)
      • Hrm, well... - The V Man 22:09:24 06/28/08(0)
      • Smaller levels - it keeps it interesting, without the feeling of having to face endless waves of enemies time and again, of which a lot are of the same type. You also switched enemy types more often. [NT] - Eye of the Night 18:59:10 06/28/08(0)
      • It was shorter. [NT] - Loki 18:13:18 06/28/08(0)
      • Diablo II didn't really have the gothic church/dungeon theme down as well as Diablo did. The style and atmosphere was just... different. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 17:44:52 06/28/08(0)
  • *Unbutters Lothos* [NT] - Grorx 17:03:54 06/28/08(0)
• To Whomever is responsible for the big CWALstyle splash page picture above - Grorx 15:18:27 06/28/08(1)
  • All decisions have already been made. All will be revealed in time. [NT] - Fron 15:44:25 06/28/08(0)
• It is officially Diablo 3 [NT] - TheDaemon 06:22:27 06/28/08(31)
  • Bwehehe. "Stay a while and..." "JoystickJ YOU!" - Legacy 19:54:57 06/28/08(0)
  • *pbbbt* Diablo sucks fly-blown balls [NT] - Friendly:) 17:04:50 06/28/08(2)
    • Baal really likes it. [NT] - Eye of the Night 20:35:42 06/28/08(0)
    • NO YOU SUCK!!! [NT] - Lord Yuppie the Shameless Fan Boy 19:04:43 06/28/08(0)
  • It looks promising...very promising. [NT] - Eye of the Night 15:19:33 06/28/08(0)
  • I will only truly support this game if when the player returns (again) to the city from the first one someone remarks "Tristram's sandy, gentlemen." [NT] - Fron 15:02:13 06/28/08(0)
  • I'm definitely more excited for this than I ever was for Starcraft 2. (nt) - Patriot 14:18:26 06/28/08(0)
  • I dunno, I'm psyched. I liked D2 [NT] - Rotten 13:51:48 06/28/08(2)
    • I busted out D2 and played it last night with the misses. I love that game, this has me more excited then any game in years. [NT] - DarthNinny 14:18:18 06/28/08(1)
      • I started a bonermancer a few months ago. I still love the game. [NT] - Lord Yuppie 19:05:32 06/28/08(0)
  • I think everyone should switch to the Ogden's Tavern skin in anticipation. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 11:48:02 06/28/08(2)
    • Those of us who have been using it all along get special prizes. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 14:05:22 06/28/08(0)
    • Indeed [NT] - Kalledon 12:09:39 06/28/08(0)
  • You heard it here first, Snapper! [NT] - Ravil 10:09:32 06/28/08(0)
  • So, call me a heathen, but I've been completely underwhelmed with everything from Starcraft 2. I'm just not that excited. On the other hand, the gameplay video for this brought back some great memories of grinding D2 with my friend. I'm really looking forward to it now. Hooray for the Barbarian staying in, he's my homey. [NT] - Gato 09:59:57 06/28/08(3)
    • Well, we were pretty excited about SC2 for about a week. Since then it's just been dribs and drabs of info. I expect D3 to be the same. It's just been announced, therefore it's new and interesting. [NT] - Loki 10:04:53 06/28/08(2)
      • Don't tell anyone, but I like Diablo more than Starcraft. Shhhhh! [NT] - Gato 11:12:27 06/28/08(1)
        • *whispers* A lot of people do. It's a secret society [NT] - Kalledon 12:10:42 06/28/08(0)
  • Aaaaand now I'm more excited for this than I am SC2. [NT] - Grorx 08:59:40 06/28/08(5)
    • Wall of Zombies? REALLY? [NT] - Grorx 09:41:16 06/28/08(4)
      • What about the part where that last boss picks up the Barbarian and BITES HIS JoystickJING HEAD OFF! [NT] - Loki 09:45:04 06/28/08(3)
        • I enjoyed that as well. (But... WALL OF ZOMBIES?) So we have 3 more classes... I am going to predict some sort of Monk, like a paladin/sorcerer type, and maybe an Archer/Rogue type that is like an Amazon but has skills that aren't just "shoot stuff cooler." and that leaves... dedicated magic using wizard? [NT] - Grorx 09:46:51 06/28/08(2)
          • The Witch Doctor is clearly the Necromancer and Druid rolled into one. [NT] - Loki 09:53:46 06/28/08(1)
            • The Monk is a good idea. Maybe the Assassin and Paladin combined into a holy warror/martial artist. [NT] - Loki 09:56:47 06/28/08(0)
  • Okay. I was pretty underwhelmed at first, especially after the pompous teaser that recalled bad memories of Warcraft III. However, the gameplay movie has convinced me that Blizzard has strived to go beyond the tired old hack-and-slash formula of D2 without changing the essential aspects. Also, the levels look absolutely gorgeous. [NT] - Loki 07:53:22 06/28/08(0)
  • Oh you JoystickJer. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 06:50:10 06/28/08(5)
    • http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/index.xml Has the trailer and a gameplay video. [NT] - TheDeamon 07:05:43 06/28/08(4)
      • The birthdate selection thing was broken and wouldn't let me scroll so now it thinks I was born in 2001 and won't let me watch them or put in a new bdate [NT] - Kalledon 08:35:22 06/28/08(1)
        • Fooled me too; you have to use the skull on the side to scroll. Try deleting your cookie or opening the page in another browser. [NT] - Snapper 13:15:26 06/28/08(0)
      • I've been screaming at the downloader to hurry with the gameplay video nonstop for a while now. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 07:28:40 06/28/08(1)
        • It's not a very high res video, so you're probably better off just streaming it. Worked better for me after I got fed up... [NT] - Psycho Sam! 13:45:39 06/28/08(0)
• Oh good. Now Steam closes randomly for no sensible reason, if it opens at all. You can feel my rapture. [NT] - Lothos 04:41:42 06/28/08(0)
• To all CWAL Tabletop Gamers: A Recommendation or Two. - Lothos 04:13:02 06/28/08(0)
• Wall-E is a great movie and you should see it. [NT] - Arcturus 02:08:49 06/28/08(1)
  • Hells yea. One of the best. [nt] - Kainoss 03:01:46 06/28/08(0)
• Fever dream thoughts on what would make The Sarah Connor Chronicles much, much cooler. - Lothos 00:41:40 06/28/08(2)
  • But then you wouldn't have your inaccessible villainous presense based on having a two bit villain in the future send back agents to pursue a doomed agenda that will never come to pass because the heroes will always stop them and Skynet doesn't REALIZE THIS! - Tssha 10:10:14 06/28/08(0)
  • That would be cool. (nt) - The V Man 00:47:11 06/28/08(0)
• Great. Well, we can still outmaneuver them. [NT] - Snapper 00:22:43 06/28/08(1)
  • Impressive! Most impressive. (NT) - Jayj 00:52:54 06/28/08(0)
• Is it possible for the little ice thing to be above the banners? I have this automatic movement thing from the top of the last post to the refresh button and I keep missing. *rage and soforth* [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 23:11:07 06/27/08(5)
  • Huh? What the hell is that latest one? [NT] - Ravil 23:26:56 06/27/08(3)
    • Kazz. - Fron 23:30:45 06/27/08(2)
      • That's...hideous. - Ravil 23:33:05 06/27/08(1)
        • It's a Ztiev piece I believe. [NT] - Fron 23:59:48 06/27/08(0)
  • I'm sure there's some way to do it but JoystickJed if I know what it is. [NT] - Fron 23:12:10 06/27/08(0)
• I'm going to see Ringo Starr at the Hard Rock in Ft. Lauderdale on Thursday night. I am way more stoked about this than I probably should be. [NT] - Djmmm46 21:36:27 06/27/08(0)
• at what time will Blizzard be making the reveal? They're doing "site maintenance". [NT] - El Cazador 20:26:43 06/27/08(8)
  • The announcement should be part of the Opening Ceremony which starts in France at 11:45am. That's 5:45am EDT, or 4:45am CDT, or 2:45am PDT. And I think that covers all the time zones for CWALers...except Lothos and Hat. They're on their own for time calculations [NT] - Kalledon 01:12:49 06/28/08(1)
    • Well they just updated to part "five and a half" [NT] - Fron 03:22:27 06/28/08(0)
  • Our Prediction: They're about to announce the return of Tassadar - Phasmus & Co. Department of Speculation and Future-Management 22:20:53 06/27/08(4)
    • My first thought on seeing today's splash image was "I hope to hell that isn't Tassadar" [NT] - Dark Nexus 22:56:00 06/27/08(3)
      • Mine too. [NT] - Fron 23:04:29 06/27/08(2)
        • It's going to suck if all this is just promotional for StarCraft 2. [NT] - Ravil 23:28:25 06/27/08(1)
          • Won't sombody *please* think of the Protoss?! (nt) - The V Man 00:43:28 06/28/08(0)
  • Probably midnight pacific time, that's when they've uploaded each of the images so far. [NT] - Fron 21:07:43 06/27/08(0)
• What is the answer to the world energy crisis? It's called the Utah desert and about a 60 mile by 60 mile square of land paved in GE photovoltaic solar panels hooked up to some decent infrastructure. Anybody want to front the capital? Ha ha [NT] - Friendly:) 18:55:18 06/27/08(4)
  • Sure. Give me your bank account details and I'll send you the money. [NT] - Loki 20:42:02 06/27/08(0)
  • I have (checks pockets) $50. Will that do it? [NT] - Fron 19:55:19 06/27/08(2)
    • I have *checks pockets* three GP. One of them has a picture of George Washington. Another has an indian and a baby. Yankeestan sure is a funny country. - Maggott 22:58:37 06/27/08(1)
      • Personallly my preference to have as little of my money in the form of physical currency as possible. [NT] - Fron 23:01:33 06/27/08(0)
• The pic at the top is cute. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:18:26 06/27/08(2)
  • It just keeps getting better! (nt) - The V Man 23:01:57 06/27/08(0)
  • Ahahahaha! [NT] - Ravil 19:51:51 06/27/08(0)
• Bacteria that creates Petroleum - Kalledon 16:57:19 06/27/08(9)
  • I wish I could turn my poop into gas. Then I'd take a monster dump into my gas tank and drive to California. [NT] - Rotten 19:34:15 06/27/08(0)
  • Hard problem. LS9 is supposedly a good company though. I think they underestimate exactly how much waste you have to ferment to get 132 million barrels of pure hydrocarbons a day. [NT] - Friendly:) 18:40:17 06/27/08(3)
    • Also, transporting low-energy density, low-pack material like straw is a complete JoystickJ to get 132 million barrels a day out of. Gasoline is better than ethanol, but this concept still sucks fat balls. Biofuel- retarded. [NT] - Friendly:) 18:42:02 06/27/08(2)
      • I imagine the theory there would be to do what is being done with a lot of Ethanol plants, you'd put the facilities near the sources of that kind of waste. But yeah, it still remains problematic in a lot of ways. [NT] - TheDeamon 18:58:51 06/27/08(1)
        • The only way to get efficient transport is to break up capacity and have little plants near the feedstock producing farms. This completely negates economy of scale (one big factory), and makes the ethanol twice as expensive and boondogglin'. That's why corn ethanol is much better than waste ethanol. But corn JoystickJs up the food market. Etc. [NT] - Friendly:) 21:05:29 06/27/08(0)
  • That's unbelievably cool, but also sounds like one of those "miracle solutions" that occasionally surfaces, then hits a snag and bogs down until all its funding dries up. [NT] - Ravil 17:06:44 06/27/08(3)
    • Yeah, it is unbelievable. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:12:44 06/27/08(2)
      • While I'm sure they can do it, the output will probably never rise above, say, a barrel a week. Destined for curiosity rather than the SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS that the news story seemed to imply. [NT] - Ravil 18:27:18 06/27/08(1)
        • These guys are hoping to go public off the hype and get rich. Whether or not their JoystickJ is actually economically feasible is absolutely besides the point. Greentech is hot, and hot brings irrational exuberance. [NT] - Friendly:) 18:47:11 06/27/08(0)
• I am done! AAAHAHAHAHahahaHAHAhaHAHAHa hHAhAhAhahahAHHAhahahHAHAHAHAHahahahahaHAHAAHHAHA! [NT] - Grorx 16:20:04 06/27/08(1)
  • Congratulissimo! [NT] - Steamtrap Entity 17:57:45 06/27/08(0)
• Anyone who doesn't find this amusing is invited to commit seppuku right now.... - Ishpeck 16:00:03 06/27/08(1)
  • Dilbert? Amusing? [NT] - Gato 16:05:57 06/27/08(0)
• So if D3 gets announced tomorrow, will it spur anyone to want to play some D2 in the interrum? [NT] - Kalledon 15:54:43 06/27/08(7)
  • *sigh* Stupid gameplay video. I guess I'll see if they have a Battlechest at the mall... [NT] - Psycho Sam! 13:48:47 06/28/08(0)
  • Yep. (nt) - The V Man 22:56:51 06/27/08(0)
  • I'm pretty sure Mantits still has my copy. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 21:22:00 06/27/08(1)
    • Well, what are you waiting for? Drive down and get it from him! And while you're at it, tell that lazy bum to drop me a line. [NT] - Tssha 21:34:21 06/27/08(0)
  • If that happens, my money's on some hack writer trying to resucitate Souls of Sin again. But I'll totally play D2. [NT] - Ravil 17:09:13 06/27/08(0)
  • Yes, but I need little excuse to begin with. [NT] - Lord Yuppie 16:48:47 06/27/08(0)
  • About as much as I was spurred to play D2 when it was released. [NT] - Ishpeck 16:00:28 06/27/08(0)
• Battlefield: Bad Company is actually pretty JoystickJ fun. Things explode spectacularly, and while the destruction model isn't complete, it is still really fun to utilize. [NT] - Gato 15:46:56 06/27/08(0)
• http://www.cwal.net/forums/rr/hat.gif - Fron 14:58:19 06/27/08(3)
  • Uhm. - The V Man 15:37:08 06/27/08(2)
    • It's better than - Kalledon 15:39:02 06/27/08(1)
      • facepalm.jpg - Gato 15:48:37 06/27/08(0)
• BlizzCon Euro, you heard it here first [NT] - Snapper 14:04:49 06/27/08(0)
• Hey TD, in addition to your discovery of the apparent Diablo 3 forum, there are also apparently forums for Diablo 4, Diablo 5, and Warcraft 4: Ghost. [NT] - Fron 13:47:10 06/27/08(3)
  • That's really wierd because I tried a D4 forum entry when he posted that and it redirected me...(nt) - The V Man 16:11:02 06/27/08(1)
    • I could believe that, they probably went "o JoystickJ" and decided to confuse people by adding in the others. [NT] - TheDeamon 16:57:25 06/27/08(0)
  • Yeah, saw that today. I was having fun linking the D5 general forums. [NT] - TheDeamon 13:50:15 06/27/08(0)
• Okay, quick question: How the HELL are we already back to post numbers in the 200,000s, and what does anyone intend to do to keep the RR from clocking again? [NT] - Sir Unimaginative 13:22:15 06/27/08(14)
  • Spambots attempting to post while not logged in are making the post id increment despite not actually posting anything. [NT] - Fron 13:24:01 06/27/08(13)
    • You realize this is evidence of a totally asinine method of storing post information, right? [NT] - Ishpeck 13:37:24 06/27/08(10)
      • Last time I looked they're actually discrete html files with random permissions in a folder. It was pretty awesome. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 01:18:08 06/28/08(1)
        • Last time I looked that was still more or less the case, and the last time I looked was two days ago. [NT] - Fron 01:30:28 06/28/08(0)
      • No JoystickJ. Don't blame me, I didn't build the thing. [NT] - Fron 13:43:43 06/27/08(2)
        • I'm not blaming you, but I am urging you to harass he who IS to blame. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:11:57 06/27/08(1)
          • No, I've got a better idea. [NT] - Fron 14:24:54 06/27/08(0)
      • You do realize that the forum can undergo major changes in how it does things without the cosmetics changing, right? [NT] - TheDeamon 13:41:36 06/27/08(4)
        • The forum undergoes no kind of changes because those who maintain it are deathly afraid of good software design. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:11:29 06/27/08(3)
          • Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [NT] - TheDeamon (System Administrator) 14:22:04 06/27/08(2)
            • You are. [NT] - Ishpeck 16:01:37 06/27/08(1)
              • If you say so. [NT] - TheDeamon (System Administrator) 16:02:49 06/27/08(0)
    • So are we going to start seeing post overwrites (or post wipes, in this case) in a few months? [NT] - Sir Unimaginative 13:25:29 06/27/08(1)
      • It may already be happening, although since the majority of all posts with an id greater than about 250,000 are spam (and a majority of those lower have already been trimmed), we'll mostly be overwriting those. Anyway this won't be continuing that long. [NT] - Fron 13:30:23 06/27/08(0)
• Get Smart is worth watching. - Tssha 12:36:48 06/27/08(1)
  • Agreed. [NT] - Ishpeck 13:37:36 06/27/08(0)
• It definitely looks like some sort of Protoss now. Maybe it's a Protoss-Zerg hybrid? [NT] - Loki 10:57:03 06/27/08(7)
  • Well, the lower left rune is very blatantly the protoss symbol. I think the upper right one is one of the protoss tribes and the lower right is probably the Kel-Morian combine. The rest, I have no idea. [NT] - The MAGGOTT 14:35:35 06/27/08(1)
    • There's the akilae tribe symbol (the blatant protoss one), a rune or two from Diablo 2, the solar system thing, and the one at the top was identified at some sort of viking/norse thing at one site I was reading. [NT] - Fron 22:00:28 06/27/08(0)
  • Actually I thought it was Arthas. - Lord Yuppie 12:39:42 06/27/08(1)
    • But now that I look at it more, it definitely seems more Protossy. [NT] - Lord Yuppie 12:41:28 06/27/08(0)
  • Or its an Arch-Angel from Diablo. [NT] - TheDeamon 11:31:54 06/27/08(2)
    • What if it's a Zertoss-Xel'Naga-Orc-Demon hybrid and they're finally meshing their storyverses? [NT] - Ishpeck 11:36:37 06/27/08(1)
      • Add Arch-Angel-Arch-Demon on the end of that and you can call it a snack. *Nom-nom-nom-nom-nom* [NT] - Tssha 12:42:34 06/27/08(0)
• Today, June 27th, I have been in CWAL for ten years. - Fjorxc the Maniac 08:56:13 06/27/08(6)
  • Wow, awesome. My 10yr isn't till next March. Grats comrade! - The V Man 23:01:25 06/27/08(0)
  • Hunh. I guess my 10-year mark comes up sometime this summer. [NT] - Ravil 16:52:24 06/27/08(0)
  • Loser. [NT] - Lord Yuppie 12:53:32 06/27/08(3)
    • I know I are, but what am you? [NT] - Fjorxc the ManiacNT 13:20:25 06/27/08(2)
      • .... *rapes your leg* [NT] - Lord Yuppie 14:22:31 06/27/08(1)
        • It's not rape if the leg consents. [NT] - Ishpeck 16:02:20 06/27/08(0)
• My sister is a genius. - Maggott 01:54:38 06/27/08(5)
  • Oh yes. I liked the idea of roleplaying a Maggottonian before, but now the idea is just irresistible. [NT] - Tssha 10:54:17 06/27/08(0)
  • I... an entire species of Magnificent Bastards. That's a really neat trick. [NT] - Sir Unimaginative 09:35:13 06/27/08(0)
  • That *is* brilliant. Makes the whole race sound like a lot of fun. (nt) - The V Man 08:01:32 06/27/08(0)
  • Good solution. Much better than the line of thought we were taking. [NT] - Pez 07:11:00 06/27/08(1)
    • Though you still get bonus points for the "Cleaning Surge." [NT] - The MAGGOTT 17:20:34 06/27/08(0)
• Though the numbers make no sense on this, the location and image has me going 'hmmmmm' - Ravage! 00:59:19 06/27/08(19)
  • Uh...isn't that one of the splashs they had up right before they redid the B.net design [NT] - Kalledon 08:49:42 06/27/08(1)
    • That's what I thought too. [NT] - Fron 14:02:25 06/27/08(0)
  • I'd love for this to be Diablo 3. [NT] - Ravil 01:01:12 06/27/08(16)
    • Given the latest splash screen, I'd be surprised if it wasn't Diablo... [NT] - Pez 07:07:32 06/27/08(15)
      • While I agree to a point, I'm still not sure since the runes could simply be for the Death Knight class in WotLK. - The V Man 08:05:20 06/27/08(14)
        • No matter what, with Blizzard, we just gotta wait around until they release something. I say we raid. [NT] - Tssha 10:51:11 06/27/08(13)
          • And now I have actually looked at the image. I can't believe everyone's first thought wasn't "Wrath of the Lich King". [NT] - Tssha 10:57:09 06/27/08(12)
            • Whatever it is, it isn't wearing the Lich Kings helm, and has a somewhat "inhuman" face. It's either an Arch-Angel/Demon from Diablo, or its a Protoss-like entity from SC. [NT] - TheDeamon 11:43:50 06/27/08(11)
              • I won't discount that option, however we also have to remember that the Lich King also has an incorporeal form as well. - The V Man 12:33:40 06/27/08(9)
                • The thing is the Lich King has merged with Arthas, who is 1) Human and 2) Not actually dead. All renderings of him with the helm off still show him with a rather human looking face. [NT] - TheDeamon 12:52:46 06/27/08(7)
                  • http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/downloads.xml look for "death knight arthas" - TheDeamon 13:00:21 06/27/08(6)
                    • Just because armour makes youre eyes glow doesn't mean a spirit can't exist out or around the body. - The V Man 15:36:26 06/27/08(5)
                      • Additionally, an image... - The V Man 15:42:35 06/27/08(4)
                        • Except the head piece shown there doesn't match the image in the splash screen, there are other subtle differences between the two in the cheek bones/eye (brow) ridge areas. [NT] - TheDeamon 15:50:58 06/27/08(3)
                          • Not to the pixel, no - however we can also look back at various items, and even races, and they look different between games and artists. Plus, what I said before the image post. (nt) - The V Man 16:06:33 06/27/08(2)
                            • Protoss example -- Note they draw/render each of them a little bit different, so it could be a dark templar or somesuch. - TheDeamon 16:55:56 06/27/08(1)
                              • I quite agree - I thought Protoss when I saw it today. Especially due to the semi-geometric shape of the top of the 'nose' bridge. - The V Man 22:56:11 06/27/08(0)
                • Yeah, that was my first thought as well after reading TheDeamon's post. I'm firmly in the Protoss camp though. [NT] - Tssha 12:39:01 06/27/08(0)
              • Actually...now that I look at the symbols a bit more...they seem a lot like Protoss iconography. Moreover, the ridgeline above the eyes is a very Protoss shaped crest. I think it may very well BE a Protoss. - Tssha 11:59:20 06/27/08(0)
• You morons. It's obviously Blizzard Smash Bros. *shakes head* [nt] - Kainoss 19:33:38 06/26/08(0)
• Kinda surprised Ishpeck hasn't posted anything about the Handgun ban being stricken down. . . [NT] - Gato 18:30:04 06/26/08(4)
  • What I _HAVEN'T_ posted yet is my opinion on the ruling.... (texties for Fron to hate)... - Ishpeck 11:30:43 06/27/08(0)
  • *points 5 threads down* [NT] - Dark Nexus 18:31:14 06/26/08(2)
    • Yeah, I'd say a more accurate post is "I'm surprised Ishpeck has posted about anything other than the handgun ban being stricken down..." [NT] - Rotten 20:16:42 06/26/08(0)
    • Ah good, I just missed it. Honestly it's more understated of a title then I'd have thought. All is right with the world then. [NT] - Gato 18:44:29 06/26/08(0)
• "In the specific case of people who rape children, it's worth saying that the death penalty is bad crime control policy. You want to make it the case that no matter what terrible things a criminal has done, he would get an even worse penalty if he killed the victim/witness." [NT] - Snapper 16:39:57 06/26/08(6)
  • He's right, the death penalty for rapists means that there'd be less of a chance for the victim to escape alive. [NT] - Rotten 08:37:14 06/27/08(0)
  • He wins. And to think--I considered the argument unwinnable. I was a fool. [NT] - Maggott 02:58:48 06/27/08(0)
  • Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Obama's politically-expedient take on this issue? - Meat for Babies 22:33:18 06/26/08(1)
    • I don't have strong feelings about the death penalty [NT] - Snapper 22:41:53 06/26/08(0)
  • Who are you quoting? [NT] - Kalledon 16:59:27 06/26/08(1)
    • Matt Yglesias - Snapper 17:08:19 06/26/08(0)
• Does anyone here know anything about programming PBX's? Just wondering. [NT] - Rotten 16:16:44 06/26/08(0)
• WANT. WANT SO HARD. - Steamtrap Entity 15:36:16 06/26/08(6)
  • God. How many years of bad luck did that guy rack up? [NT] - Dark Targon 23:52:00 06/26/08(0)
  • Finally an umbrella fit to re-enact The Art of Theft with! (nt) - The V Man 20:46:32 06/26/08(1)
    • V Man wins! [NT] - Ishpeck 11:15:00 06/27/08(0)
  • Dats sum awesome, right there. Of course, either here or (I imagine) the states, you'd be open be charges of assault and carrying a 'concealed weapon,' since the thing is reinforced to survive such treatment. [NT] - Lothos 17:28:55 06/26/08(0)
  • Hah! [NT] - Ravil 16:18:41 06/26/08(0)
  • Wow, that's awesome. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 16:09:00 06/26/08(0)
• I give you, the full hidden image of the secret purple thing - Kalledon 11:36:29 06/26/08(11)
  • It looks like something out of Winnie the Pooh. [NT] - Djmmm46 15:01:12 06/26/08(0)
  • There's two eyes now... [NT] - Rotten 14:34:14 06/26/08(2)
    • To me the eyes definately look like a Protoss or Hydralisk. [NT] - Rotten 14:36:11 06/26/08(1)
      • They're finally releasing World of Star-ablo-craft! [NT] - Grorx 17:11:52 06/26/08(0)
  • Hmm. I'm not sure what this penguin means. [NT] - Ravage! 11:41:59 06/26/08(6)
    • Ice, demon penguin: Diablo 3 takes place in some sort of arctic environment. [NT] - Fron 13:30:59 06/26/08(3)
      • Well (Theorycraft) - Kalledon 13:33:47 06/26/08(2)
        • I don't remember who Inarius is. [NT] - Fron 13:38:38 06/26/08(1)
          • He's from the books. But basically it's because of him and Lilith that Sanctuary even exists - Kalledon 13:43:12 06/26/08(0)
    • Well, the penguin does kinda look evil. Demonic even, maybe? [NT] - Kalledon 12:03:00 06/26/08(1)
      • and there is that whole thing with there being a hidden d3 forum on battle.net. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM [NT] - Ravage! 12:09:20 06/26/08(0)
• I know all you Canadian-types will adore this.... - Ishpeck Supreme Doughnut Delivery Minuteman of CWAL 11:29:49 06/26/08(7)
  • The court bows for the Imperial Favor...(the Maggottonian one in this case, but it's got the most useful ability anyway.) - Maggott 03:07:43 06/27/08(0)
  • Now let's push to incorporate. [NT] - Sir Unimaginative 19:24:32 06/26/08(0)
  • We're working on a giant laser to sever the continent at the border right now. (nt) - The V Man 12:13:02 06/26/08(4)
    • Hey, if the US government sucks so bad wouldn't it be a good thing that we can defend ourselves against it? [NT] - Lord Yuppie 13:16:52 06/26/08(3)
      • Canadians blame Americans for all the insane amounts of violence that takes place in Canada.... *Snicker* [NT] - Ishpeck 14:48:36 06/26/08(2)
        • Huh? What "insane amounts of violence"? [NT] - Ravil 16:21:45 06/26/08(1)
          • I don't know. I thought Canada was a peaceful country, myself. But Toronto's mayor seems to think it's WWIII in there and has therefore announced a ban on all Americanistanian tourists. [NT] - Ishpeck 11:16:34 06/27/08(0)
• Ewwww... - Steamtrap Entity 10:22:00 06/26/08(2)
  • Kind of like that chicken with no head. God is cruel. [NT] - Friendly:) 16:09:44 06/26/08(0)
  • JoystickJING CHRIST! KILL IT! KILL IT DEAD! [NT] - Namrok 10:25:30 06/26/08(0)
• Possible explanation of the 4th rune - Kalledon 09:53:42 06/26/08(5)
  • They weren't the ones who actually made that game in the end, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to be referencing it. I'm sure a generic solar system symbol has turned up at least once in one of their actual releases by now. [NT] - Fron 13:30:03 06/26/08(4)
    • Or could it be....call me crazy.....something new and original? [NT] - Ravil 17:09:37 06/26/08(3)
      • I don't know that they'd be doing the whole suspense and clues thing if it was. [NT] - Dark Nexus 18:30:00 06/26/08(0)
      • That'd be a pleasant surprise. [NT] - Fron 17:52:21 06/26/08(1)
        • Most surprises aren't pleasant these days... [NT] - Psycho Sam! 18:22:32 06/26/08(0)
• Someone needs to try and get in touch with Robo Gerbil and see if he'll break his Non Disclosure agreement. [NT] - Kalledon 09:31:53 06/26/08(1)
  • I don't think he works for Blizzard any more. At least, he wasn't when I last talked to him after War 3 came out. But that was years ago, so who knows? [NT] - TheDeamon 12:41:29 06/26/08(0)
• A friend of mine who took his board exams on Wednesday said he had a question that involved the following: "physical exam of the rectum produced explosive gas and feces." This... should be interesting. [NT] - Grorx 08:05:22 06/26/08(1)
  • Why do I suspect the diagnosis involves 'lay off the burritos'? [NT] - Sir Unimaginative 08:17:22 06/26/08(0)
• God's Blood! Mini-Me has a sex tape out! RUN RUN RUN! [NT] - Friendly:) 03:20:49 06/26/08(1)
  • ... I kinda wanna see that. [NT] - Lord Yuppie 13:18:17 06/26/08(0)
• Hurry up Goldenrod! You're gonna be a permanent resident! [NT] - Snapper 03:10:44 06/26/08(3)
  • Apology accepted, Captain Needa. (NT) - Jayj 03:36:08 06/26/08(2)
    • There is...another...Jar-Jar [NT] - Lucas on his death bed. 08:57:52 06/26/08(1)
      • NO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [NT] - Legacy 17:11:18 06/26/08(0)
• You know what would be hilarious? If tomorrow, the Blizzard splash page was a rickroll. And that is the last we ever heard of any of it. [NT] - Grorx 00:22:00 06/26/08(9)
  • Someone has pointed out that the numbers of the images are also those from the TV show "Lost." Given the ice, and the outer space... maybe The Lost Vikings??? They were frozen and now becoming unfrozen? Seems like a weird franchise for them to revive now, no idea how it is going to make them oodles of money like WoW or SC2, but... weird. [NT] - Grorx 07:08:38 06/26/08(6)
    • Actually - Kalledon 13:17:06 06/26/08(1)
      • Addendum - Kalledon 13:24:05 06/26/08(0)
    • Hell, I wouldn't JoystickJ if they revived the lost vikings. They were awesome. [NT] - Pez 08:02:01 06/26/08(3)
      • Given. But they had, what, two games that were popular in their fanbase but way before they could reach a mass appeal. And they were 2D action platformers... not a whole lot of those going around these days. Would they make it a console game? Is this part of getting together with Activision? [NT] - Grorx 08:03:27 06/26/08(2)
        • Of course, they don't HAVE to make it a 2D action platformer... On the other hand, if they made a new, updated R&R Racing that was just as awesome, I would be very pleased. But probably not as pleased as D3 (unless its an MMO, in which case I probably wouldn't have the time/inclination) [NT] - Grorx 08:04:31 06/26/08(1)
          • Even if they sadly made D3 into a MMO I would like it better than WoW. - Lord Yuppie 13:40:45 06/26/08(0)
  • What's a rickroll? [NT] - Maggott 03:09:27 06/26/08(1)
    • Moderately surprised you don't know: It's tricking someone ito watching or clicking a link to the video to Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" - Captain Hat 12:03:11 06/26/08(0)
• Does anyone have that picture of some guy on a forum who broke up with his girlfriend, posted a picture of her crossed out with red lines, and someone else said something about "You shouldn't have dated Carnage" on it? I can't believe I didn't save that... [NT] - Grorx 23:10:38 06/25/08(10)
  • What in the world are you talking about? [NT] - Fron 23:11:45 06/25/08(9)
    • If I could show you, I wouldn't have to ask that question, now would I? [NT] - Grorx 23:14:12 06/25/08(8)
      • I think it was on 4chan. [NT] - Grorx 23:16:24 06/25/08(7)
        • Why not ask for it on 4chan then? [NT] - Psycho Sam! 23:59:54 06/25/08(6)
          • You... don't go there much, do you? [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 00:03:14 06/26/08(5)
            • He'll get it EVENTUALLY. And he'll have stories to tell the rest of his life of the adventure in getting them! [NT] - Psycho Sam! 00:07:31 06/26/08(4)
              • In fact, I did it for him. http://img.4chan.org/b/res/74618808.html Share and enjoy! [NT] - Psycho Sam! 00:18:43 06/26/08(3)
                • THERE it is. - Grorx 00:25:09 06/26/08(1)
                  • In case the link doesn't work... here you go. Now that it is all hyped up, its probably not funny, but I don't care, it still makes me laugh. - Grorx 00:29:54 06/26/08(0)
                • While it's there for the next five minutes, anyways. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 00:21:06 06/26/08(0)
• (story)(well, story fragment) Garm Fights The Hicks. FAO MAGGOTT particularly, thoughts appreciated from everybody.(story) - Captain Hat 20:40:42 06/25/08(10)
  • Because apparently the forum doesn't like me replying to MAGGOTT... - Captain Hat 06:47:03 06/26/08(8)
    • Because apparently the forum doesn't like me replying to MAGGOTT... - The MAGGOTT 15:50:45 06/26/08(7)
      • Because apparently the forum doesn't like me replying to MAGGOTT... - Captain Hat 18:47:39 06/26/08(6)
        • Because apparently the forum doesn't like me replying to MAGGOTT... - Maggott 03:55:58 06/27/08(4)
          • Because apparently the forum doesn't like me replying to MAGGOTT... - Captain Hat 11:31:39 06/27/08(3)
            • DWEEDLE! - The MAGGOTT 17:19:47 06/27/08(2)
              • DOODLE! - Captain Hat 19:34:59 06/27/08(1)
                • DAT DWEEEEEE DAT DAT DAT DWEE DOW! - Maggott 00:03:33 06/28/08(0)
        • Oh, and the one thing I forgot- - Captain Hat 18:53:38 06/26/08(0)
  • Commentezes... - Maggott 02:59:50 06/26/08(0)
• I think they solved the "mystery of the walrus" and the three letters known so far... - TheDeamon 19:19:54 06/25/08(8)
  • And the battle.net forums seem to confirm D3 - TheDeamon 23:59:02 06/25/08(6)
    • So today we have a bigger hole... and what is the little planets in orbit lookin' symbol supposed to mean? [NT] - Grorx 07:01:42 06/26/08(1)
      • The image hidden in the master.css makes it clear the puzzle is definitely a penguin-something. [NT] - Kalledon 08:58:56 06/26/08(0)
    • Hah, awesome. - The V Man 06:13:45 06/26/08(1)
      • You're making the assumption that the didn't have it already set up like that anyways. Didn't they have something like that for D3 before the SC2 announcement, too? [NT] - Dark Nexus 20:23:18 06/26/08(0)
    • Awesome find! Now lets just hope it stays as a small multiplayer online (say 8-12 players) hack-n-slash and they don't try and turn it into an MMO or some new type of game [NT] - Kalledon 01:09:12 06/26/08(1)
      • I seriously doubt they'll turn it into an MMO. WoW is already bringing in a disgusting amount of money, and a World of Diablo wouldn't get them a whole lot more. [NT] - Legacy 17:18:54 06/26/08(0)
  • oh, and on a completely unrelated note, they're evidently making "I am murloc" available as a free download for Guitar Hero 3 on Thursday. [NT] - TheDeamon 20:22:26 06/25/08(0)
• The best haiku ever - Steamtrap Entity 14:12:28 06/25/08(9)
  • The true best Haiku(s) ever - Snapper 16:10:22 06/25/08(4)
    • Sold. [NT] - Sir Unimaginative 18:16:36 06/25/08(0)
    • I can get behind this. [NT] - Fron 17:35:42 06/25/08(1)
      • If you think you like self-referential jokes now, just wait until you've read Godel, Escher, Bach [NT] - Snapper 03:04:48 06/26/08(0)
    • That is awesome. [NT] - Ishpeck 16:31:27 06/25/08(0)
  • That's definitely an honorable one but I don't know if it qualifies as THE BEST EVER. [NT] - Ishpeck 15:54:08 06/25/08(3)
    • The humor! The power! The precision of language! The emotional depth! It blows plum blossoms and crickets out of the water. Never has there been, nor will there ever be, a better haiku. The form is perfected; nobody should bother attempting to write new ones. [NT] - Steamtrap Entity 15:59:12 06/25/08(2)
      • I like inferoir follow-ups to great accomplishments. They're charming like the tide splashing against rocky shores. Neither the waves nor the reef would be quite as tranquil without the other. [NT] - Ishpeck 16:26:04 06/25/08(1)
        • Your face is inferoir. [NT] - Steamtrap Entity 16:28:04 06/25/08(0)
• Thought: If there ever was a live-action Simpsons, Paul Giamatti could play Homer. [NT] - Grorx 13:48:33 06/25/08(3)
  • Speaking of which I saw The Illusionist last night. - Lord Yuppie 14:59:20 06/27/08(0)
  • Your mom could play homer. [NT] - Ishpeck 15:54:27 06/25/08(1)
    • Perhaps. But not as well. [NT] - Grorx 17:37:41 06/25/08(0)
• Sigh - Kalledon 13:40:40 06/25/08(64)
  • Okay, I think we can all agree on this general statement on the death penalty as a whole: It is a moral and intellectual clusterJoystickJ and always will be. Everybody good with that? We shiny? [NT] - Maggott 03:15:16 06/26/08(0)
  • The death penalty is pointless and barbaric. [NT] - Fron 17:21:06 06/25/08(58)
    • Actually, I'd rather be dead than spend a significant fraction of my life in prison. [NT] - Friendly:) 19:05:08 06/25/08(7)
      • Yeah, but that's your decision, not the State's. [NT] - Loki 19:10:46 06/25/08(3)
        • Fron believes that making it your decision is a silly idea. (See below) [NT] - Ishpeck 19:12:08 06/25/08(2)
          • Uh, choosing your punishment after being found guilty is a little different than - oh, forget it. You are ridiculous! [NT] - Meat for Babies 16:07:59 06/26/08(0)
          • Stone him! [NT] - Loki 19:37:02 06/25/08(0)
      • I kinda share the sentiment. If I have to leave prion in a wheel chair, my life is basically over anyway. Why face years in a retirement home with nothing but horrid memories to look back on when I can just have it over in a humane and succinct manner? [NT] - Ishpeck 19:08:42 06/25/08(2)
        • JoystickJit. Prion = Prison. [NT] - Ishpeck 19:09:30 06/25/08(1)
          • Since you're so buddy-buddy with the Prions, maybe you know where it is. How about it? Do you know where my eye is? [NT] - Fron 20:09:36 06/25/08(0)
    • Barbaric as it may be, it's not pointless. The point is that if you have a perp who's an obvious and unabashed repeat offender, you save a hell of a lot of money if you kill him and let his family pay for a funeral than if you incarcerate him and make the state pay for his life. [NT] - Ishpeck 17:47:34 06/25/08(24)
      • Do not forget one more important thing that people tend to forget. - Lord Yuppie 18:07:26 06/25/08(23)
        • They're not talking about murderers. They're talking about the opposite. Unless I read it completely wrong, they're removing the death penalty specifically for rapists who did not kill--and never intended to kill--their victims. [NT] - Maggott 03:12:21 06/26/08(1)
          • Yeah I made a post further down clarifying that. - Lord Yuppie 13:35:02 06/26/08(0)
        • But sometimes innocents get sentenced to death, too. You can't bring them back to life when you find out they were innocent. - Eye of the Night 18:54:38 06/25/08(7)
          • Yeah, it's one of my biggest hesitations when it comes to the DP... I mean I have no problem with frying scumbags, but if it means an innocent might be executed, I'm not so sure about it. [NT] - Rotten 20:55:55 06/25/08(3)
            • Well, it could be solved by replacing the DP with life in prison and the right to euthanasia. Those who who'd rather be dead than remain in prison, with no hope of being acquited because of being really guilty, will then be able to choose death. While the innocent stay alive to fight on to prove their innocence. [NT] - Eye of the Night 06:37:18 06/26/08(2)
              • Unless they're innocent and they've completely given up. They may decide that going out feet first may be a better alternative to living in prison for the rest of their life for a crime they never committed. - Tssha 08:22:18 06/26/08(1)
                • They should just stop trying to prevent prisoner suicides. Maybe even facilitate it, allowing for more humane suicides. [NT] - Eye of the Night 09:50:36 06/26/08(0)
          • You can't return an innocent person's years spent wrongfully in jail either. Punishing the innocent is wrong -- regardless of how severe that punishment is. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:56:44 06/25/08(2)
            • Right, but would anyone seriously argue that there isnt a major qualitative difference there? [NT] - Snapper 18:58:30 06/25/08(1)
              • Sure, taking away one year is slightly less bad than taking away all of them -- but in every case, you're depriving a person of life. Whether that deprivation is temporary (in the form of incarceration) or permanent tunes my degree of outrage -- but no injustice should ever be tolerated, however minute. [NT] - Ishpeck 19:01:48 06/25/08(0)
        • Likewise, the justice system is imperfect and innocent people can get convicted [NT] - Snapper 18:52:01 06/25/08(3)
          • The idea behind a justice system is that you assume everyone's innocent and you assume it so hard that if they keep coming back into the justice system, there's pretty solid assurance that they do so for a REASON -- then any punishment levied is, presumably, justified becasue even the moderately guilty can get away with stuff. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:55:54 06/25/08(2)
            • Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way in practice. [NT] - Snapper 18:57:40 06/25/08(1)
              • Yeah, these days we tend to believe "even if he's not guilty, he may be guilty later so let's just lock him up to be sure." Which is why, in the current legislative/judicial climate, it's better to err on the side of "no execution." [NT] - Ishpeck 18:59:24 06/25/08(0)
        • congratulations on a somewhat decent argument but "oh no danger" still doesn't outweigh the awfullness of an institutional policy of cold-blooded killing [NT] - Fron 18:12:29 06/25/08(7)
          • Awful, I agree. I consider it a neccessary evil that should have to stand up to lots of scrutiny (more than it does now). - Lord Yuppie 18:36:44 06/25/08(1)
            • The range of potential penalties for crimes is defined by legislature in most states. Only when the law defines death as a penalty for its violation is a judge allowed to issue it from the bench. But the problem with a man on death row turning up innocent is the fault of the jury, not the judge. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:41:09 06/25/08(0)
          • So if it's an empassioned -- or even slightly emotional -- it's okay to kill? I would think that something as big as execution would require a cool, judicious head. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:14:10 06/25/08(4)
            • hmmmmmm yes that sounds like something that could be reasonably inferred from my post yes exactly [NT] - Fron 18:15:50 06/25/08(3)
              • You can't use emotionally-charged catch-phrases like "cold-blooded killing" and expect the discussion to infer only the most reasonable things out of it. You were trying to play with emotions by using that term. I assert that judicial work demands one be "cold-blooded" and use only the most rational thought when deciding how to punish criminals. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:18:55 06/25/08(2)
                • okay instead of "cold-blooded killing" i'll call it "an institutional policy of wild-eyed bloodthirsty murder" [NT] - Fron 18:25:14 06/25/08(1)
                  • Ah, y'mean the Texas Death Penalty. *wink* *wink* [NT] - Lord Yuppie 18:37:30 06/25/08(0)
        • Also, Yuppie's smarter than all of us. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:08:35 06/25/08(0)
    • Because throwing mass offenders all together and more or less ignoring them, but expecting society to pay for their continued existance is so much better. I just love knowing that some of my tax dollars goes towards giving food and shelter to convicted child rapists [NT] - Kalledon 17:24:29 06/25/08(24)
      • So would you argue that your morals are subject to your financial whims? [NT] - Meat for Babies 16:08:54 06/26/08(0)
      • oh my mistake kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out then, yeehaw [NT] - Fron 17:31:52 06/25/08(19)
        • I never said kill them all. But I think certain crimes should be punishable by death. And it would have to be a case by case basis. [NT] - Kalledon 17:38:54 06/25/08(18)
          • stone adulterers, draw and quarter everyone who wears white after labour day [NT] - Fron 17:42:37 06/25/08(17)
            • Far be it from me to encourage Fron's behavior here, but he does have a point: I don't even trust the government to sweept the gutters without punishing innocent people. Giving fat, lazy bureaucrats the power to destroy human life doesn't settle well with me, either. Death penalty should be used very, VERY sparingly and only by.... - Ishpeck 17:54:36 06/25/08(16)
              • Yee-haw! We'll clean the gutters with electrocuted retards! [NT] - Texas 17:12:50 06/26/08(0)
              • I don't disagree with using it sparingly. But I do disagree without ruling out completely, no matter what circumstances [NT] - Kalledon 17:58:03 06/25/08(14)
                • Well, if we had to pick just one or the other, I'd side with "no execution" simply because I'm terrified of government abuse. And these days, people think like Fron: The only alternative to giving criminals state-funded blowjubs is to kill absolutely every jaywalker on both sides of the Mississippi. [NT] - Ishpeck 18:12:26 06/25/08(10)
                  • psst i know you're talking about only executing really terrible people that have no right to live, it's still archaic barbarism [NT] - Fron 18:13:27 06/25/08(9)
                    • Killing is ugly and nobody should _WANT_ to do it. But do you honestly believe that it never becomes necessary? [NT] - Ishpeck 18:15:35 06/25/08(8)
                      • no and i'm not sure why you'd even begin to think i believed that [NT] - Fron 18:17:45 06/25/08(7)
                        • So when killing _IS_ necessary, shouldn't the law support that necessity? [NT] - Ishpeck 18:19:49 06/25/08(6)
                          • that's why we have self-defense laws but there's no necessity in killing someone that's already locked away [NT] - Fron 18:22:13 06/25/08(5)
                            • And you don't believe that there are any extenuating cricumstances where a judge may issue the death penalty? [NT] - Ishpeck 18:26:45 06/25/08(4)
                              • nope but i can't wait for you to construct some elaborate and ridiculous hypothetical [NT] - Fron 18:27:34 06/25/08(3)
                                • What if the criminal preferred a death penalty over a life sentence? Would it be justified as a consensual alternative to living life behind bars? [NT] - Ishpeck 18:29:14 06/25/08(2)
                                  • since when do we let people chose their own punishment that's silly [NT] - Fron 18:30:20 06/25/08(1)
                                    • It is silly. But is it justifiable? [NT] - Ishpeck 18:31:12 06/25/08(0)
                • yes it's vitally important that we maintain a policy of killing at least a *few* of the people that we've already rendered harmless by removing from the general population otherwise who knows what might happen [NT] - Fron 17:59:38 06/25/08(2)
                  • See Yuppie's post. (Link) - Ishpeck 18:09:16 06/25/08(1)
                    • Americans: Caving to Paranoia Since 2001. [NT] - Meat for Babies 16:09:57 06/26/08(0)
      • psst death penalty cases cost more than life imprisonment cases even accounting for many decades of imprisonment, look it up [NT] - Snapper 17:29:23 06/25/08(2)
        • Largely only because we imprison people for a few decades and make them wait around for their chance to die. And even if it did cost more, the cost is shifted onto another agency/entity that isn't the penitentiary -- so if you got lots of bored internal investigators and no open prison cells.... [NT] - Ishpeck 18:00:07 06/25/08(0)
        • I see the Times article research everyone seems to quote but I also found this counter point - Kalledon 17:55:38 06/25/08(0)
  • From what Derkin's prison guard brother said, going to jail for child rape is about the same as a death penalty. Your fellow inmates will shiv you inside the first week of incarceration. [NT] - Ishpeck 15:55:57 06/25/08(2)
    • Oh, I'm sure they'll soon find a way to segment off child rapists from other prisoners claiming some cruel and unsual punishment crap [NT] - Kalledon 16:03:26 06/25/08(1)
      • Just makes it easier to gas the whole lot of 'em at once. [NT] - Ishpeck 16:26:56 06/25/08(0)
  • Yeah geez what is the world coming to its the decline of civilization. [NT] - Snapper 14:44:14 06/25/08(0)

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